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Mapping the hurt feelings of the Chinese people

China's blogs and online forums have reacted in different ways to the official indignation over French President Nicolas Sarkozy's meeting with the Dаlаi Lаmа.

Boycotts, which played a large role in the anti-French sentiment during the Olympic torch relay earlier this year, were the subject of heated discussion (see Global Voices Online for more details).

But other netizens were inspired by the words of the deputy foreign minister; "The meeting grossly interfered in China's internal affairs, severely undermined China's core interests, gravely hurt the feelings of the Chinese people and damaged the political basis of China-France and China-EU relations."

How many times have the Chinese people's feelings been hurt, anyway? Blogger FangKC searched through the electronic archives of the People's Daily between 1946 and 2006 and discovered that 19 countries and organizations have been accused of hurting the feelings of the Chinese people:

  1. Japan: 47 times, starting in 1985
  2. USA: 23 times, starting in 1980, when Los Angeles flew the ROC flag
  3. NATO: 10 times, mostly relating to the 1999 Belgrade embassy bombing
  4. India: 7 times, starting in 1986 and mostly relating to border issues
  5. France: 5 times, starting in 1989
  6. Nobel Committee: 4 times
  7. Germany: 3 times, starting with a meeting with the Dаlаi Lаmа in 1990
  8. Vatican City: 3 times, starting in 2000
  9. EU: 2 times, starting in 1996
  10. Guatemala: 2 times, both in 1997
  11. Indonesia: in 1959, when a newspaper inflamed anti-Chinese sentiment
  12. Albania: in 1978, for criticism of Chairman Mao and the Chinese Communist Party
  13. Vietnam: in 1979, for a high official's slander of China
  14. UK: in 1994, over the Taiwan issue
  15. The Netherlands: in 1980, over the government authorizing a company to provide submarines to Taiwan
  16. Iceland: in 1997, for allowing Lien Chan to visit
  17. Jordan: in 1998, for allowing Lien Chan to visit
  18. Nicaragua: in 1995, for supporting Taiwan's bid to join the UN
  19. South Africa: in 1996, for proposing a two-China policy

Feeling that FangKC had undercounted, blogger Arctosia at Bear's Blog created this map of countries that "have been clearly fingered by state media or representatives of the Chinese government of hurting the feelings of the Chinese people."

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Countries that have hurt the feelings of the Chinese people in black (Arctosia)

The blogger, who also keeps an English-language blog about life in New Zealand, listed 42 countries by region and provided citations (we've just reproduce the list of names):

  • Europe (12): Vatican City, UK, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Italy, Spain, The Czech Republic, Sweden, Denmark, Slovenia, Albania
  • North America (2): USA, Canada
  • Central America (6): Guatemala, Grenada, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Honduras, Nicaragua
  • South America (1): Chile
  • Oceania (4): New Zealand, Solomon Islands, Nauru, Marshall Islands
  • Africa (9): Chad, Malawi, Burkina Faso, Swaziland, São Tomé and Príncipe, Gambia, Liberia, Senegal, South Africa
  • Asia (8): Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, India, Jordan, (disputed: Cambodia, Laos)

Update (2008.12.16): The creator of the above map has started an English-language discussion on Fool's Mountain which poses a few questions about the list of countries:

* Did those countries really hurt their feelings?
* Why more than 1/5 of the world are such “culprits”?
* Is there any country that had genuinely hurt their feelings not on the map?
* Or is there something wrong with that kind of diplomatic expression?

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This is the greatest Danwei post ever.

The list isn't exhaustive; I know for a fact that Kiribati not only stood the Chinese people up twice but also said they looked fat in that dress and never returned any of their calls or texts either. Pretty ballsy for such a microscopic Pacific island nation.

C'mon, the Marshall islands have hurt their feelings and not Australia? The DL has been slumming round here quite often. What do we have to do?

@ Worst of Perth

"What do we have to do?"

So long as Oz has so many resources that China needs, you can pretty much get away with anything. Rudd even lectured the Chinese on Human Rights during his pre-Olympic trip to Beijing. Good on yer, mate!

I'm a little disbelieving that we Brits have only once 'offended' the Chinese in recent times; they haven't forgotten the Opium Wars yet.

As for the most recent EU tantrum - no surprise at all. As Richard Spencer suggests, I suspect Europe is delighted at the cancellation of another exhibition of mindless Beijing feet-dragging.

Hilarious post!

no wonder they all love the thinnest of skin xiao long bao...

Thank you for introducing my blog. :)

I am a graduate student majoring in journalism in PKU. Hope to meet danwei's contributors some day. :)

And what is the common point between all these countries (except for Vietnam and Chad)?

They are DEMOCRACIES!

well played by all involved.

but will no one suggest that ridiculing China for having its people's feelings hurt is like adding insult to injury, rubbing salt in the wound or blaming the victim for her own misfortune? ... ... ... i thought not ;-)

Brilliant!

What! Russia has never hurt China's feelings!

Pure blog awesomeness....I would love to get that data into a GIS....

Here come the democracy-fanboys yet again. Albania a democracy in 1978 under Hoxha?! Indonesia a democracy under Suharto?! Jordan calls itself a constitutional monarchy, but go and read their constitution sometime. And shouldn't the Vatican be considered a dictatorship?

This is like that disproven meme about democracies not starting wars with each other: makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but doesn't hold up after the cocktail party. Don't be too proud about India, for example, after reading the description: Doesn't it really say that democracies are unable to resolve border disputes peacefully due to the nationalism of the electorate?

If you know anything about Chinese foreign affairs, two issues stand out like a sore thumb: Taiwan and the Dalai Lama. Look at the list of 42 countries. Europe: Dalai Lama. Central America: most (all?) recognize the ROC. Oceania: mostly ROC. Africa: mostly ROC. Asia is a mixed bag.

It seems a bit harsh to make the US merely an extension of Canada.

I know we Americans have fallen on hard times, and we're used to living in Canada's shadow, and we lust for Ontario's healthcare, but we're still an independent nation.

Have we really hurt China's feelings as often as Canada?

Our feelings are hurt.

"This is the greatest Danwei post ever." B SMITH

I second that buddy.

How many times have the Chinese insulted the nation of Italy by their horrible attempts at making pizza?

Wait a second. The Italians stole it from the Chinese and have since bastardized it because no other country on Earth invents anything. It's a glorious nation with a 5000 year history. My country's 232 years is cow droppings.

Why isn't China colored? Chinese people hurt Chinese people's feelings too.

They probably haven't changed their "template" of official announcement for decades :)

I wonder why Soviet Union is not on the list. SU should top it because of what happened between the two countries in 60'.

and

16 Iceland: in 1997, for allowing Lien Chan to visit
17 Jordan: in 1998, for allowing Lien Chan to visit

if these are really hurting, were CCP's own invitation of Lien Chan to mainland in 2005 the biggest hurting of Chinese people's feeling in history :)

The Nobel Peace Prize is handed out by Norway, not Sweden. The Swedes only deal with the science prizes.

Load of RUBBISH, the next time a taxi driver asks you where you come from, say "Bing Dao" (Iceland) he'll probably laugh and say "Nar?" (where?)

So how is it possible is it possible to supposedly offend 'the Chinese people' if they don't even know where a lot of these places are?

Try Albania, Jordon or Guatemala.

Rolf: Norway does the Peace Prize, so I'm kind of surprised it's not on the list. Sweden does the literature prize, and I think Göran Malmqvist probably has some sort of personal award for hurting the feelings of the Chinese literary establishment.

What country was credited for Bjork's recent insult, or is she a country unto herself? Maybe you could add a small picture to the map drifting aimlessly around the ocean.

Hard to tell at this size, but I think you have Croatia blackened in instead of Slovenia.

This just in: Danwei hurts the feelings of the Chinese people by posting how many times the Chinese people have had their feelings hurt.

Interesting how south korea isn't on there, but it is ranked the no.1 most disliked country in China. link

There's a larger version of the map in the linked blog post, klk.

Roger,
you'll be surprised about Albania, for it was the only shining beacon of true communism in the sea of soviet revisionism.

"It's a glorious nation with a 5000 year history. My country's 232 years is cow droppings."

Actually the 5000 year thing is a lot of nonsense; any country can trace its geology and anthropology 10 times as far back in time.

As a nation state, PRC is a baby of 59 years standing, and, as this post demonstrates, often behaves like it.

link

Hackers with hurt feelings go after embassy website

Why can't we all just get along. The dress does not make you look fat. I really like the new haircut. You don't look a day over 30. Is it really that hard?

i'm deeply hurt by this

I thought the problem was westerners finger you as cry babies whenever you don't go along with them. What they believe is funny you should too and not act too serious. You know, the complainers.

Hilarious, some of the angst to up one on China.

9.11 lol...

To think that I wasted tears on dead Americans after 9/11. I was just being over sensitive as usual. Now I have a thicker skin, and I will watch every new dead Westerner in good humor!

Thanks for all the snide comments, everybody! It completely changed my outlook on life!

Wait, what does that even mean?

Anyway, the sort of nationalism that thrives in China can only be cultivated amongst a complacent and largely satisfied populace. With all it's environmental disaster, corrupt governance, and the social ruin that's visible across the countryside, how do the Chinese people arrive at such satisfaction? It's pretty simple: "Things are better than they were, and they'll be better than they are."

From a historical standpoint, it's hard to disagree with this philosophy, but we'll just have to wait and see how far it carries this nation into the future. Surely at some point the population will feel the need to throw off the shackles of the "mother" state? Maybe then we can start real discussions with our Chinese friends and loved ones about the difference between a nation's people and it's government.

"So how is it possible is it possible to supposedly offend 'the Chinese people' if they don't even know where a lot of these places are?"

But as a Chinese, I don't consider this post hilarious or anything. Because I personally agree at least 90% of these things did hurt my feelings. And I believe that most of educated Chinese (because some don't know about foreign affairs.) will agree with me.

Almost all these are related with two issues, Taiwan and Tibet. And I will tell you that every act the goverment takes on these two problems will always win the most overwhelming support from its people. Why? Because the government is acting exactly according to people's will on these two issues. It always has, and always will.

Western people always criticize Chinese government with their own judgements or interests. But they seldom think about what Chinese people want or feel. This is the most hilarious part I would always laugh at.

Isn't it hilarious that some western people believe that they are resenting Chinese government because it's good for Chinese people and helping Chinese people, but at the same time, they never know that they are being resented by Chinese people themselves?

@ ronniepeg
Whoa...Take it easy mate.You don't get the joke because its a cultural thing...no other government I know uses this phrase so it sounds very strange, absurd and funny to foreign ears..."gravely hurt the feelings of the Chinese people". Ha.
Roger's point is so true...you're average citizen doesn't even know or care about Nauru, let alone being permanently emotionally scarred (i.e. "feelings gravely hurt") by sth they did.

"Western people always criticize Chinese government with their own judgements or interests. But they seldom think about what Chinese people want or feel. This is the most hilarious part I would always laugh at."

I think the thing to be aware of here is that Tibet and Taiwan, in particular, are two issues that do not just involve the Chinese people and their feelings. Perhaps you will say that the Tibetans and the Taiwanese are simply Chinese, and therefore do not have their own separate set of feelings which can be hurt separately from those of the Han Chinese, but this is entirely false. Whatever your views on historical/political/military legitimacy, it is completely wrong to say that the Tibetans or Taiwanese do not have their own feelings, which should be taken into consideration. Should be.

Why does the whole world need to walk on eggshells when it comes to the feelings of the Chinese people? Have the Chinese people ever given two collective shits for the feelings of the Tibetan people? Who are the victims here, and why?

On a more conciliatory note, I think part of the reason why this appears so ridiculous in English must be due to a difference in the connotations of the phrases "hurt someone's feelings" and "伤害谁的感情”.

In English, there's something unavoidably wimpy in claiming you've had your feelings hurt. This is something we're taught to squeak out in elementary school, when we are otherwise unequipped to avoid being bullied (I'm making no assumptions about anyone's English level here, I don't mean to be condescending). It's a phrase spoken by the weak.

So, naturally,a large part of the hilarity arises from claiming you've had your feelings hurt because someone said maybe you should stop killing quite so many monks. When the issue at hand is the violent repression of one area and its people, and the trumpeting of one's intentions to violently repress yet another area and its people, it's hard to credit the idea that, if anyone so much as peeps, you'll put on a wounded face and say "Aww... why'd you have to say that?" It's just an absurd image. If you're holding a gun, don't be surprised if no one cares that much about your feelings. People are only interested in your actions.

"Actually the 5000 year thing is a lot of nonsense; any country can trace its geology and anthropology 10 times as far back in time."---STUART

Dude, I was being sarcastic. Like the locals this is something you must not have a grasp of either. Perhaps, the whole misunderstanding sarcasm is why the list is so long and why they once took an ONION "news" story seriously.
Besides I would never actually call my country a bunch of "cow droppings". U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A!

RonniePeng wrote: "Western people always criticize Chinese government with their own judgements or interests. But they seldom think about what Chinese people want or feel."

Only a little bit wrong. Let me help you with the correction:

Western people always criticize governments, mostly and most strongly their own, but they criticize other governments as well. Western people would like to know what Chinese people want and feel, but because there are no true elections or referendum in China, they don't know, so they can only guess based on the wants and feelings of all people everywhere, including the wants and feelings of countries with majority Chinese citizenrys that DO have elections and referendums.

The funny part is, that because there are no real elections or referendum in China, the Chinese people don't know what the Chinese people want or feel, either.

RonniePeng also said: "every act the goverment takes on these two problems will always win the most overwhelming support from its people."

Which, of course, rather calls into question the definition of "its people" does it not? And that, of course, is the heart of the issue.

As is usual in China, RonniePeng pretends to talk about the real issue, but only dances around it, the same old dance, the same old steps. Yawn.

I think this is rather pathetic discussion

"I think this is rather pathetic discussion"

That's because your feelings are hurt. Your government says so, therefore it is.

"Dude, I was being sarcastic."

I know that. I just wanted more recognition for cave-dwellers in the pre dynastic era.

"Because I personally agree at least 90% of these things did hurt my feelings. And I believe that most of educated Chinese (because some don't know about foreign affairs.) will agree with me."

That 90% (a touch high, I suspect) you mention get their foreign affairs 'education' from a media that is only a microcosm more nuanced than the DPRK's.

"Because I personally agree at least 90% of these things did hurt my feelings. And I believe that most of educated Chinese (because some don't know about foreign affairs.) will agree with me."---RONNIE PENG

In this statement alone you insult the "uneducated" Chinese. If they don't know about foreign affairs they are uneducated? Isn't it a policy of your country when foreigners comment on your internal affairs to say 'it's a domestic matter and of no concern to outsiders'? Well then the educated folk like yourself are being contradictory for your supposed knowledge of foreign affairs.
The fact that you make a blanket statement and say that most educated folks will agree with you makes me question your validity even more. I find your great country's brethren to be quite reserved and reserved whereas stereotypical us westerners are the loud ones. If stereotypes are right then how can you make this assessment---or even an assumption?

stop hurting my feelings

Steady boys and girls - we're at risk of having a 'highly offended' population on our hands here, they're obviously a fragile lot!

There would be much more countries blackened on this map if the Chinese had a better understanding and knowledge of world geography IMO.
The grey countries are grey only because most Chinese haven't heard about them.

This is funny. Nationalist rhetoric all over the world is Absurd, in the big "A" sense. It seems odd to a lot of Europeans because stuff like 'the feelings of the great Caucasian race' went out with Hitler. It's only a small percentage of Euros that actually fit that bill as it happens anyway.

When people buy into it it's not really funny anymore though, it's tragic.

The interesting thing is this, people like Ronnie up there do believe it and therefor imagine that all people of the same 'race' or 'nationality' think they same way as themselves on all issues.

Ah ... nationalists.

Stuart,

Long time no fight (what is the name of your blog again? I lost the link). I agree that Ronniepeng's comment is pretty pathetic, but your assumption that the Chinese are not "educated" (or informed) because the media are controlled by the state is ridiculous. At the same time, I don't see how much more informed the westerners are. Care to enlighten me?

Annnnnnonymous:

"The funny part is, that because there are no real elections or referendum in China, the Chinese people don't know what the Chinese people want or feel, either."

Are you saying (1) the Chinese people don't know what they themselves want or feel or are you saying (2) some Chinese (like Ronniepeng) don't know what other Chinese want or feel? Either way it is absurd. (1) is stupid beyond words, let's focus on (2). Even though there are no national elections and referendums there are still ways to gauge what people want or feel. There are surveys, polls and marketing research etc., which can all be found in China. As to how representative and how scientific the findings are, it is subject to debate.

Western reporters often cite some disgruntled Tibetans, Uighurs or peasants etc to make the case that the Tibetans/Uighurs/peasants at large are miserable. It is as crazy as Ronniedeng claiming he knows what 90% of the Chinese want.

"...your assumption that the Chinese are not "educated" (or informed) because the media are controlled by the state is ridiculous."

The Chinese people are most definitely 'educated' - and, if need be, 're-educated'.

"At the same time, I don't see how much more informed the westerners are. Care to enlighten me?"

The gulf between the ranges of opinion and the level of participation in their open expression between the west and China is enormous.

I believe that there are too many uninformed people the world over, but among the university educated, Chinese citizens (and I am in a position to comment) suffer from a historically and geopolitically selective curriculum that is further burdoned by the duel straightjackets of party rhetoric and a culture that teaches them to accept rather than question.

I too think that a confident man should never claim his feelings hurt, if you trust your belief and stance and have enough self-respect then you wouldn't really care what others think.

and it is actually an IMPROVEMENT to claim I know what 90% population wants, because most people still claim 100%. hahahaa

"The gulf between the ranges of opinion and the level of participation in their open expression between the west and China is enormous.

Chinese citizens (and I am in a position to comment) suffer from a historically and geopolitically selective curriculum that is further burdoned by the duel straightjackets of party rhetoric and a culture that teaches them to accept rather than question."

Care to elaborate on that generalization? Ive had both European and Chinese university education and I could say the very same thing about my selective european centric education. As for teaching to accept rather than question, I have no idea what that means.

Stuart,

"The gulf between the ranges of opinion and the level of participation in their open expression between the west and China is enormous."

I agree that "the level of participation in their open expression between the west and China is enormous" but the ranges of opinion found among the Chinese are just as wide as those in the west or anywhere else, I'd argue.

But again, exactly how does the average westerner more informed than the average Chinese person? You are in that position to comment? Why?

"As for teaching to accept rather than question, I have no idea what that means."

Precisely.

"...how (is) the average westerner more informed than the average Chinese person?"

I don't think you'll find any references to 'average westerners' in my reply.

That said, western folk don't get (entirely) sugar-coated fairytales from their diverse media about the role that their governments are playing either at home or abroad. CCTV and China Daily are embarrassingly propagandised. So too modern Chinese history textbooks, whereas western textbooks and courses are more likely to discuss the past 'warts and all'.

Further, if you have a different opinion about, say, the official view of your government on some foreign policy issue or point of history, you are free to express it in the classroom or lecture theatre. Moreover, that kind of active role is encouraged in western education. Not so in China, where the party line is given and debate is forbidden.

Sadly, this has led to some startling omissions and economies of truth in Chinese history and politics classrooms. The consequence is that anything encountered that contradicts the party line is rejected without investigation or discussion.

The stifling of debate underscores the insecurities of China's leaders, as does the infantile "hurt the feelings of the Chinese people."

"Not so in China, where the party line is given and debate is forbidden."

You seem to fancy giving vague generalizations in your statement. One look at this cirriculum shows debate is hardly forbidden as you claim. It also goes on par with my experience studying with undergrad students at SichuanU.

Chinese are so backward..Bunch of close minded cry baby.

Stuart,

For the first time I agree with 100% of what you are saying. Sad.

Oh Canada...

I didn't see any record of Canada offending China. Why is Canada blacked out?

I figure there had to be at least two but Canada received a karma credit for good ole Bai Qiu En and probably another for Da Shan.

If not, then I think it is about time that we earn at least 1 black mark.

"One look at this cirriculum shows debate is hardly forbidden as you claim."

I couldn't access that link, but debate is most certainly a no-go in some areas of political and historical education.

Next June will see the 20th anniversary of arguably the most important episode in China's modern history - an event that not only shaped the extent and speed of reform and development in China, but still to this day defines (rightly or wrongly) the way the Party are viewed outside the middle kingdom.

How much debate can we expect? How many students will challenge their teachers on the issue? What kind of coverage can we expect from CCTV? What sort of banality will be peddled by Yang Rui on 'Dialogue' instead of chairing a frank and open discussion? Can anyone out there find a school textbook that gives more than a sentence to the effect that the government saved the country from a bunch of troublemakers?

Race riots can be discussed in the American classroom; Bloody Sunday can be picked apart in Britain; Nazi Germany is debated without exclusion in the Fatherland; and, accept it or not, Japan's wartime atrocities get an airing in the schools of the rising sun.

Where is the Chinese students' opportunity to reflect openly and intelligently, without censorship or revision, on those events that have played such an important role in the country's development?

Where are your John Pilgers?

no matter what, China will move forward and getting stronger. The chinese government is doing the right thing on the right path. The western power critize and give trouble to China is not because they really care about chinese people and they want china to be stronger, instead, they just want to give this county as much trouble as possible and delay its progress, it is all for its own benefit.
The most funny thing is: despite their real thinking, they pretend to be care about human rights in China and chinese people. Please give us a break, we chinese people are not stupid, we truley understand what you want. We won't be fooled by you just like other poor countries.

Harry (above)

When you say'Chinese people' do you mean, Han Chinese? or all citizens of the country China?

When you say 'We Chinese people are not stupid' are you talking about everyone like they have the same ideas and opinions?

Can you elaborate?

I really support what Harry said, China and Chinese do not be fooled by these jealous legacy powers, i 100% support Chinese government they exactly know what they are doing. unlike the dog of the west India they blindly follow what the west tells them stupid fools, they really believe that democracy and poverty can live together along with different believes where each one heats the other. go go china!! we all standing behind you

'Where is the Chinese students' opportunity to reflect openly and intelligently, without censorship or revision, on those events that have played such an important role in the country's development?'

I never said censorship wasn't a problem. However, on the one hand through a vague blanket statement you distort the dimension of problems faced by students. Yet on the other hand you seem to champion genuine and open discussions, quite the distinction.

After living here for eight years, I have come to enjoy my life in China, mostly. You have put your finger on precisely the one thing that is forever annoying about this childlike reaction from the Chinese people and Government, they are forever being offended, but never embarrassed, by the silliest things.

While the offended gene runs rampant in the Chinese, the embarrassed gene does not exist, I have given up on asking Chinese men to direct their loud hocking spits, farts, and belches in another direction, I am only met with evil little giggles of delight, but let me say loudly that "Chinese food suks" and they will sit wounded and childlike in the corner and look at me like the devil himself, and I do sometimes ;--)

I have accepted the fact that I as Laowei living in China, will have to offend many Chinese in the course of a day, and have accepted my fate...sometimes with an evil little grin ;--)

well, nobody's commented for quite ahwile, but for another two of my cents:

Harry is definitely right when he says "no matter what, China will move forward and getting stronger.", although I think he might be 少一个"be"动词. That said, the rest of his statement only serves as proof of stuart's remarkably reserved comments about the state of education in modern China. Whether you kids know it or not, our Western education/social-indoctrination also allows quite a bit of room for the questioning of previously accepted beliefs and ways of thinking (想法's). This in itself is pretty amazing. Actually, I think the very fact that our liberal cultural-relativist upbringings allows for us to accept Chinese Maoist-Confucian rote memorization as a legitimate (somehow defensible, in the eyes of many^) form of education, is truly frackin' amazing.

Wordy, I know. But read it again and it might make sense. Peace to those who give a sh!t...

as a Chinese, I must say media are controled by govmt in most sensative issues.

but I just want to say, from the deep heart, we Chinese people are much more critical about our govmt than most western people thought! You(westerners) can interview anyboby on Chinese street, he/she will tell you how unfair, how corrupt,how aweful society and govmt is!

BUT, when it comes to foreign affairs, most people stand with govmt immediately. You can say Chinese people are brain-washed by govmt or nationalism or anything as you like. But in Chinese long-lasted culture, to love one's motherland is the top virtue. Maybe you say govmt is not equal to motherland, but in Chinese minds(at least in my mind), the present govmt led by CPC is the incarnation of motherland--China.

China and China's govmt is on her own way to democracy, prosperity and freedom. After all, the People Republic of China is only 60-year-old, quite young, right? So, give China and China's govmt more chances, she will give the world more surprises.

"That said, western folk don't get (entirely) sugar-coated fairytales from their diverse media about the role that their governments are playing either at home or abroad. CCTV and China Daily are embarrassingly propagandised. So too modern Chinese history textbooks, whereas western textbooks and courses are more likely to discuss the past 'warts and all'."

But how do we know that statement in itself isn't sugar-coated? Am I the only person who sees the oversimplistic logic in saying "China=brainwashed, ooh bad; West=FREEEEE!!! Yay!!!!"

"childlike reaction from the Chinese people"
I love the West and our incessant childlike desire to define the Other as childlike.


I think it's a statement unto itself that few have any problems whatsoever with American history education and its Euro/US-centricism, but then, go figure.

I did not know India had offended the Chinese. I don't think many Indians even know. How severe is the problem cause I think # 4 on the list is a bit too much.

Let us not forget that the United States is probably the most insulted state in the world. Why dont us Chinese grow up, you dont see Americans getting this upset when their flag is burned or a shoe thrown at their president. When you over react it shows your true weakness.

Here's my solution to this whole "hurt" thing:
(I'm a Chinese person living in the US, so I should have a good solution)

-Whenever the Western media reports on negative news about China, they might talk about the Chinese GOVERNMENT being corrupt, instead of CHINA being corrupt (and vice versa, as I don't like it when others attack the US about Bush--it's not like we liked him, either). That way, the Chinese (and Americans) won't think that they are being singled out, it's that their GOV'T is being singled out.

(Of course, this depends on the country in question hating their government. In the US, this isn't valid anymore, given that Obamania has taken over. In China, well, I'm not sure...)

If Chinese feel so hurt, they should stop their oppression of Tibet.

This is an absolutely hilarious post that has degenerated into rants, finger pointing, generalities and oversimplification, such as the beliefs that all the feelings of every single Chinese individual is hurt simultaneously, or that most of the country is in grey because the Chinese haven't "discovered" that country yet, though surly once they have they must instantly be offended by them. I don't know about everyone else, but I've always found it humorous when people from two different cultures understand each other so poorly that the only way they seem to be able to understand anything is to simplify complex situations into most banal of commentaries. For the rest of you that are trying hard to add some useful commentaries to this otherwise political issue I found it meaningful and much appreciated. The rest of you...grow up.

When I was 12, I thought Communism was gospel.

When I was 24, I truly beleaved Democracy was right, that's why I was there personally in
Tiananmen square.

Now I'm 44, I accept this: Thou should not follow a maltitude to do evil.

If you're so sure that Communism or Democracy is exclusively right then you have certain right to teach, bully or even liberate others, everybody should follow you, I have to say you're on the wrong side of history.

thank you to Anonymous February 5, 2009 1:41 PM.
thank you to Anonymous February 5, 2009 8:29 PM.

so many above seem to have traded in their own intelligence for the self-satisfying delusion of being absolutely right as a means of making the "other side" absolutely wrong.

wasn't the original post and map a fun and satirical little project undertaken by a "the Chinese" to poke fun at some other "the Chinese" whose feelings are so easily hurt? it is absurd that so many are missing the point.

it's simply that everyone is biased and racist, and people can't help but look at things in one direction. It's more than hurt, but looking down on a group of people, stepping on pride.
History is always recorded by others, who are always on one side or the other. As time/generations pass, people grow up thinking the same way- it's too late to change what people think by just talk.
Action must be taken and slowly change how they think- make them say "Chinese society has become advanced".

The map shows Croatia in black instead of Slovenia, as one of the previous posters said. Except he wasn't totally sure but as a Croat myself I am ;)

only apoligizw for racism nothing else

There's misunderstanding in the topic. "Hurting the feeling of SOMEONE" is a popular phrase in Chinese dialogue. Since the newspaper is mainly for Chinese people to read, the term is just a directly translation. More precisely, the phrase means "I have treated you friendly but you did such thing to me and it hurts my feeling of being friendly anymore." It's usually used as a warning that "I'll reconsider our relationship". Not very much on the point to say somebody feel sad.

It's naive on western side to think that all Chinese are brainwashed and uninformed and that the west holds the sole key to intelligence. It is also naive to under-evaluate Chinese elites just because allegedly they never had a "free education" and to think that "free education" and knowledge of natural and social science can only lead to western value.

I major in cognitive science and government in an U.S. university. I will bring this knowledge back into my government to strengthen its values and undermine U.S.'s offense in ideology. Boy, how did these communists managed to keep ruling without scientific help?

As person who has had 11 years of exposure to free education, free media, and free thought. I would like to express my 100% free and unbrain-washed opinion that I stand with "90% of educated chinese" on matters of Chinese foreign policy. Thanks.

Do people honestly believe that even if Tibet and Taiwan where not an issue. That China would not just find something else to put in place of it. Whatever the government decides is the will of the people then of coarse the people will agree to. It's all part of the group mentality way of thinking. So I do believe the Chinese people aren't being brain washed. I do agree though that no matter what is done. At least in the eyes of the Chinese their feelings will always get hurt. The Chinese, Japanese dispute over the islands in the East China Sea is as much an issue as Tibet or Taiwan. So it is a bit pretentious to believe that any of this will make any difference in the end.

Here is the problem people. Nearly all criticisms of China in the west are criticisms of the Chinese government. Most of these criticisms are out of concern for how the government treats the Chinese people. Here's the catch: since criticism by so many countries poses a potential threat to a the Chinese government, they don't let the Chinese people know. Rather, they report endlessly on how foreigners criticize "China", and how foreigners don't like "China" while also reporting endlessly on all the wonderful things the Chinese government does. This is a very effective way of cultivating nationalism and uniting the Chinese people against the outside world. And to clarify about the comments above, it is not the uneducated that are most effected by this, they are in fact the most open minded about the outside world, rather it is the university "educated" that are most indoctrinated.

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