how about "money talks, bullshit walks"?

if china could only be so lucky.

"不折腾" He said that? Hu said that himself? lol

How can "reform" be a "revolution"? Contradiction in terms in English or Chinese. Silly sod.

people used to be treated like rats (or even worse), and now treated like pigs, and yes, pigs are better taken care of than rats, but is it something really worth being proud of? hardly!

@Jim in chinese reform is: 改革 and revolution is: 革命

bocaj, I know and what I'm saying is 改革 can't be a 革命 - in Chinese or English they're two contrasted modes of change, particularly in the kind of Marxist framework Chinese policy makers are supposedly educated in.

Ironic, given the "celebration of 30 years of openness" bladda bladda. It's like when China "celebrated" Human Rights Day by sending out lots of good-sounding articles and releases, and then harassing dissidents and trash-talking the U.S. on rights at the same time.
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From IHT.com today. BEIJING: More than 160 prominent writers, scholars and human rights advocates outside mainland China have signed an open letter to President Hu Jintao asking him to release a well- known intellectual who was detained earlier this month. The letter was posted on the Internet on Tuesday.

The letter indicates that the case of Liu Xiaobo is quickly turning into the latest human rights cause célèbre in China and could further embarrass the Communist Party at a time when Chinese leaders are celebrating the 30th anniversary of its policy of “reform and opening up.”

Has attention being drawn to imprisoned dissidents ever embarrassed the Communist Party or State? The whole Charter '08 thing is getting blown out of proportion...

(Does "published on the Internet" mean anything anymore, either?)

"Human Rights Day by sending out lots of good-sounding articles and releases, and then harassing dissidents and trash-talking the U.S. on rights at the same time"

What a joke! I know that there might be some Chinese who'd take the time to badmouth the U.S. on blogs, forums or any other kinds of online community.(Ironically the U.S. worshipers just outnumber them) But China talks shit of the U.S.? No way. Most articles regarding the U.S on the mainstream newspapers and websites are purely translated stuff from foreign media. One is free to form his or her own opinion.

As seen on two of my most-visited Chinese portal websites, such as link, or link, Chinese media rarely takes the time to comment on things happening the U.S, or any other country.

China does critise the U.S or the western world) when the west takes issue with it. But what do you expect the govt of a country do when they're attacked? "You're right, and thank you for pointing our problems out"?

Ask any of the ordinary Chinese to say what do they dislike about western countries. How will they response? Probably "they don't report the real China." "they speak ill of us." As far as I know, the average Chinese does have a friendly feeling towards the U.S and western countries. And not many of them really know what is going on or what is really wrong with the western world. If that's China's propaganda to smear the west, it's failed miserably.

China has its problems, but what is good about the Chinese govt, or the Chinese media, is that they don't concern themselves too much with others' business. And they tend to conceal news, not make it up.

Monty -- Take a look at the Foreign Ministry feed to the media. Before the U.S. said a peep, the Chinese government took a swipe at it over human rights. It's ridiculous. I'm no great defender of the U.S., but China criticizing a major Western democracy on this issue is seriously silly.

I'm not talking about the average Chinese person on the street. I draw a HUGE line between the Chinese people and the Communist Party government. I'm talking about the people in Beijing who send attaches to the media -- and it's full of rest-of-the-world bashing. In 2008, the FM happily bashed Britain, France, Germany -- hell, it even sent a nasty note to sleepy old Sweden warning it not to give a Nobel to a Chinese dissident!

You're right. There's not alot about the rest of the world in the Chinese media. And they do tend to censor more than "make things up." The most positive thing I can say to that is that it's the lesser of two evils.

Most articles regarding the U.S on the mainstream newspapers and websites are purely translated stuff from foreign media...

is that they don't concern themselves too much with others' business...
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go out, walk to a newpaper stall, buy a copy of Global Times, and check its content. you will be amazed the amount of trash talks, every shit on it is about how some foreign coutry fails.

alternatively, go to www.ifeng.com.

so to me, we are all asshole, its just who is meaner. everybody is trying to fcuking everybody.

Blaming the Western media for reporting on China's "disappearing" or jailing writers without an open trial (or any trial) is like shooting the messenger. The anger is pointed in the wrong direction. The central point is that China still punishes those simply for expressing opinions, in opposition to basic international standards.
Blaming the newspaper that reports on free speech violations, is like blaming the person who turns in the robber to the police.
Speaking of anger, it's upsetting to see how much of it exists in China when it comes to anything political or media related. Actually, I'm editing a very sympathetic story right now by Ed Wong, our China correspondent, on earthquake victims. And god knows how many positive business stories we've done on China.
There's tons of news, positive and negative, on every country in the world. If China wants to criticize the rest of the world, that's fine, but it has to learn to take criticism, too.