People with wiser minds will never trust what communists are doing. Ms Kadeer's familiy members are forced. They have no other choice, they do this against their will...

i thought that this was china, people.

who gives a damn what unfilial children have to say?

Pour gasoline on yourself?
Which PR company does she get directions from. Doesn't she know that the Falun Gong own that trademark.

I wonder if this will backfire on them domestically. Chinese people know very well that you don't have to have a gun pointed at your head to make you say whatever the official line is supposed to be- even when your mother isn't Public Enemy #1. I even see people on the Global Times website saying sarcastically that the statements were made while the people were "under the care of the party."

hi,danwei,i think you have been blocked for a long time,could you show me the way to access you easily?

@Neale Stanger
That method was distributed under the GPL license by Vietnamese monks, thus no trademark violations.

Rebiya was interviewed after she arrived in Melbourne yesterday and was asked about her family's 'requests'. She answered very clearly that she knew such comments were extracted from her relatives by force.

As ever, the most disturbing part of such CCP propaganda is that most Chinese lap it up with such alacrity.

@stuart: how the "stuart" did you know "most Chinese lap it up with such alacrity", you "stuart"?

@ Orpeeus

How? Because every Chinese student from the mainland I've spoken to here in Oz believe Rebiya kadeer to be a terrorist responsible for orchestrating the recent unrest. It's all so 'clique-esque'. It's also a large enough sample to be reasonably confident of my assertion.

Care to share some data that points to the contrary?

I thought not.

There is a YouTube interview with Kadeer's children and her brother. Kadeer's brother did say that he got a phone call from Kadeer saying that there would be something big on July 5. Take a look. link

There is a report in Swiss media that the Dalai Lama acknowledged that the March 2008 violence in Tibet was caused by "agents provocateurs". link

How annoying when I saw comments like "It is a lie because it is from a communist party". You think your beloved politicians or media lied less often?
It is just a chinese way of governing, disregarding whatever the name for the party or ruling class is. The claims from offical medias can be lies but it differs on affairs. We chinese are used to find out truth or someting can/may be true from our government's claims. Why do you think most chinese "lap it up with such alacrity"? Because such ethnic conficts and terrorist acts exist for so long and it has not been solved properly. I myself knew that there were occasionally bombs or car burnings in Urumuqi before the "internet era" where information spreads so fast to every corner of the world. Learn to read chinese and see what a lot chinese people's comments on "Uyghur thieves" in big cities.

And you think that it will "backfire domestically"? Omg, you really don't want to know the hatred some chinese showed when they read the news on the 7.5 riot. Too many common chinese people thought that the government's action were too soft or favored Uyghur criminals too much.

Believe Rebiya if you want. While Uyghur stundents protested calmly infront of the government, while Uyghur terrorists assasinated Han-ethnics and burn their properties in the backstreet, while so few Uyghur women and children came out of nowhere and cried in tears when foreign media showed up, while Rebiya tried to prove her claim with a so-big-and-fake photo, while she claimed there are thousands of Uyghur killed by gun shooting. She is innocent and/or represent justice? I don't and will never buy it. This news from chinese media may be exaggerate on how bad Rebiya is. Or say chinese government wanted to make up something. But to me, Rebiya is much more a lier than the chinese goverment.

"Because every Chinese student from the mainland I've spoken to here in Oz believe Rebiya kadeer to be a terrorist responsible for orchestrating the recent unrest. It's all so 'clique-esque'. It's also a large enough sample to be reasonably confident of my assertion."

stuart, did you not take a statistics class in the uk at all? Large enough sample? How large? How many Chinese students have you talked to?

As usual, stuart is at his best, generalizing again. You are so predictable, stuart.

note to communism=evil clique: the fact that a nation is a democracy does not make it more inclined to do good outside of its own borders. The Chinese gov't mouthpieces may lie, but they're hardly the only ones stretching the truth. Some others may be cloaked under the mantle of journalistic ethics. Rebiya is an overzealous puppet pariah being manipulated by others for their own ends. Dalai is grateful to let someone else have the stage for a while.

"Why do you think most chinese "lap it up with such alacrity"?"

This is the sort of question you should be asking yourself. A step forward.

"I myself knew that there were occasionally bombs or car burnings in Urumuqi before the "internet era""

And to what did you attribute the cause of such incidents? Why?

"I don't and will never buy it."

Of course you won't. And neither will the vast majority of mainland Chinese.

"But to me, Rebiya is much more a lier than the chinese goverment."

As I said: 'alacrity'

When the CCP adopts the same propaganda tactics against Rebiya Kadeer as it did in branding the Dalai Lama as a terrorist with the codename 'uncle', credibility takes a nosedive.

Contrary to the opinion of China, foreign governments aren't granting visas to Rebiya to piss China off; they're doing it because there is no case against her.

@stuart: what emerged from your posts above is, what a confused mind you have! Evidence:

1. Your statement that "most Chinese lap it up with such alacrity" follows a paragraph about Rebiya's family's 'requests'. So the "it" here apparently refers to whether Chinese believe the family's comments were made under coercion. Or it's perhaps just your poor writing skills.
So, hearing Chinese nationals condemning Rebiya as a terrorist is not quite the same as assuming that they will all buy into the official story that the family's accusations were voluntary. You seem to have difficulty understanding that distinction. That's why I asked you how you'd know for sure.
In fact, my Chinese colleagues here generally believe Rebiya to be a terrorist, or rather, they simply have seen no evidence "that points to the contrary", just as Americans have no evidence to doubt bin Laden's responsibilities in practically everything anti-US from the Islamic world. But these same Chinese also unanimously laughed at the Chinese government's silly effort to turn/ force Rebiya's family against her. One said: "As if it proved anything". Another said: "it's obscene, coming between family members like that". I guess Chinese family value still easily outruns nationalism.

2. RE "every Chinese student from the mainland I've spoken to here in Oz"
Someone else already raised the question on the statistical significance of your "data". Apart from that, how about demography? Chinese immigration to Australia started pretty late (compared to US), and the visa grant is a lot less stringent. The inevitable consequence is the younger age of your average Chinese national in Oz, correlating unfavorably to maturity of political and cultural judgment. Then the quality of people, well, is not superb. Oz and Kiwi-Land are pretty low on the list of desirable immigration destinations for Chinese, so the countries collect the dregs of Chinese oversea diasporas. The point is, demographically the sample pool is all "stuart'd-up".
BTW: I am sure you enjoy a great chemistry with those Chinese students; they must find someone who compare their compatriots to dogs ("lap it up") irresistible.
BTW: recognizing the cocksure stances and small-minded self-righteousness, I wasn't sure if you're from some rural state in American South or Oz. Thanks for clearing it up.
PS: To see your claim of the few silly Chinese students "it's also a large enough sample to be reasonably confident of my assertion" made me smile. Yeah, that's the kind of fool's confidence that I would expect from people like you. Am I condescending? You betcha. It's sweet nothing compared to your condescension in suggesting a whole population is incapable of thinking for itself.

Your Tube it, Kids> the irony of someone trying to defend China's government with a website blocked in China.

@Michael
That's the problem here. Everything that is not criticizing the Chinese government automatically puts it towards defending the government category. Can his comment not be just a moderate one that try to give evidence for the other side? Can you not imagine people to be so black and white? Some Chinese people may in fact very much hate the Chinese government and the CCP, but are they not still allowed to hate outside "activists" figures more, who clamor for independence of Chinese territories and organize the independence movement within China.

@stuart
I laughed when you say propaganda tactics. You know what your media or politicians' propaganda tactics used on this riot? They quoted some videos and pictures of victims but they don't tell you who they are or what they said. And every words they say just gives you an assumption that they are those "peaceful protesters". Can you distiguish han-ethnics and uyghur-ethnics by lookings? Or do you understand chinese language? I bet you can not, or you will know they are han-ethnics and they said they had been assaulted by uyghur mobs. Wait, what did the news say in western media when they quoted such videos and pictures? "protesters", "chinese communist goverment", "police and paramilitary". Why don't they just simply translated what they said in the video or tell you who these bleeding victims are?
And when they quoted Rebiya's claims, they did translated every words she said. Did the media questioned if her claims and proofs are fake? Not a single word even if that picture Rebiya used is so easy to be google'd for its origin.
What kind of technique you call this?

"Oz and Kiwi-Land are pretty low on the list of desirable immigration destinations for Chinese, so the countries collect the dregs of Chinese oversea diasporas."

I'll be sure to pass that on.

In the meantime tell me this: do YOU believe that Rebiya orchestrated the murder of over a hundred Han Chinese from base America? If so, on what evidence do you base your thinking (other than 'CCP tells me so')?

See how nicely I put my questions without resorting to insult? You can do better, Orphy.

@stuart: I will perhaps locate some interest to answer your question re what I think, if you own up to your bias and perjudice to this issue. Until then, why bother?

"if you own up to your bias and perjudice to this issue..."

Isn't that a bit like the chinese authorities saying to Rebiya's children:

"tell the world of your mother's 'mistakes' or we'll beat the crap out of you" ?

99% of all the bias you perceive is MISperception. You're sensitised to it and see only what underlines beliefs too deeply encoded to be challenged. Time to open the box and look outside. Be enlightened; push that lid.

You can do it, if you have the will.

Taiwanese press are arguing the case for showing 'Ten Conditions of Love' in their country. Why can't the mainland do the same?

Because they lack the will to open the box.

Ha ha, stuart, you are a funny one.

It's particular funny that nothing in your "retorts" indicated that you have ever actually read the posts from others and/or understand them. They could have been pre-fabs from days earlier.

Stop pontificating based on the limited information from your small world, and you may actually learn something. Until then, you will find people taking their attention to worthier opponents.

BTW: stuart, while I browsed your your last post, it occurred to me you sound like an insurance salesman. Or a newly-turned cult follower. Are you?

No malice. Just curious.

If advocating free thinking and free speech in a free world as a foil for the dark future promised by globally dominant CCP overlords, then yes.

But I don't charge for my services.

@stuart: RE "globally dominant CCP overlords" - do they come in black helicopters or red?

Off the deep end down under.