Haha. Greed Dam Chick's got some serious fetishes but obviously she's found some outlets.

BTW, I like the 4chanish direction, What a way to attract the emo crowds. Danwei: Way to promote a harmonious society like that, bringing together the regular danwei China-study-journalist-weirdos with the freaks-of-society. Green Dam is doing it's job.

Well shits, I'd want the green dam girl to "screen" me. ;-)

绿坝娘，屁股翘，
痛搞 XP girl 放声叫：
（XP）“没有，没有，我没有！”
（绿） “俺要，俺要，俺就要！！”

（横批）－ 谁让你闹？

Are PC sellers required to pre-install Green Dam, or to just ship the software, on a CD, with computers? I thought the latter to be true.

Iain: All mainland PC sellers have to pre-install the software after July 1. CDs are for second-time installations and similar.

在我们眼里你们这种小老百姓统称未成年人
要什么网?要啥自行车?
知道那么多干什么?

I am sorry, but such a stupid software will be preinstal before we get our product

And no surprise to learn it was stolen software in the first place: link

The CCP backs down! link

Given the high level of technical competence and intensity of the opposition it's likely the authorities will be hoisted with their own petard.

Um, your "required to install" statement is incorrect. PC makers are asked to bundle Green Dam on PC, and end users are under no obligation to install or run it.

Please see page 2 paragraph 2 of the 5/19 MIIB announcement on Rconversation, and this subsquent interview stating to the effect:

link

Appearantly there is difference between “preinstall/bundle/预装”and “install/安装” in Chinese, and “preinstall” is not in the sense bundling.

“按照预装绿色过滤软件通知的要求，这款软件预装在电脑的硬盘或者随机的光盘中，要发挥作用还需按照安装程序进行激活” - according to the requirements in green filter software notification, the [setup] software is bundled on computer hard drive or CD, to activate it still require following the setup program.

There, Green Dam setup has to be avalable on hard drive or CD, not the filter application itself. And end users are not required to install it or run it.

Charles Liu, the interview you cite is not with anyone from MIIT, which is ultimately responsible for the memo it issued.

There are competing interpretations of that particular paragraph in the Chinese media, and to this point an MIIT official has only seen fit to make a clarification (a) anonymously, and (b) to the official English-language media.

The line in question reads
二、“绿坝-花季护航”软件应预装在计算机硬盘或随机光盘内，且在恢复分区和恢复光盘中作为备份文件。
2. The Green Dam-Youth Escort software should be pre-installed on the computer's hard drive or on disc, and a back-up copy must be kept on a recovery partition and recovery disk.

How to pre-install onto a disc may be part of the source of the confusion. It could be bundled only, or it could be installed and operating, but it's far from as clear-cut as you make it seem, and for whatever reason, MIIT has chosen not to clarify the situation.

That translation from CDT is incorrect:

1) Page 2 para 2) the 18th word "或/or" was translted as "and", changing it's meaning 180 degrees.

2) As you've noticed, para 2) makes no sense (how do you preinstall on CD?) Now read "bundle" then it makes perfect sense. Reasonable read also shows the recovery partition applies to hard drive scenario only.

In addition to the interview I cited, there were other official statement to the effect.

Joel, if you want more citations from the government, there are plenty: link

"绿坝花季护航软件非强制安装可随意卸载" - Green Dam Youth Chaperon not madate install, can be removed at will"

So, here's how I would translate page 2 para 2) of the announcement:

二、“绿坝-花季护航”软件应预装在计算机硬盘或随机光盘内，且在恢复分区和恢复光盘中作为备份文件。

2, "Green Dam-Youth Chaperon" software should bundle on computer hard drive or in accompanying CD, as well as backs on recovery partition and recovery disk.

At no point was there any madate for end user to install or run this software. Even if parents choose to run Green Dam, they can turnn it off for themselves.

I think that's a fair re-interpretation of that line, Charles Liu. My issue is not with the interpretation itself — perhaps the MIIT did initially intend to mandate bundling only. Instead, it's with the suggestion that interpreting the memo to mean that actual installation is mandatory is somehow the result of "anti-sinoism."

An article you cited as evidence elsewhere suggests, "because the MIIT memo used the word "pre-install" (预装), in line with the usual interpretation of the word, the media generally believed that installing the software onto computers was compulsory."

Perhaps the usual interpretation is incorrect; MIIT has not made that clear yet. Until that happens, it's ridiculous to suggest that the people reading it that way are motivated by anti-China or anti-government sentiment.

我只是羊驼而已……那句好囧
神兽大爱啊

Joel, did you see this MIIT offical quote I cited elsewhere? link

据新华社电 昨日，工信部有关负责人说...

According to Xinhua wire yesterday [6/10], relevant leader in MIIT said...

并可由用户自行选择安装与否，同时对用户上网行为不进行任何监控，也不搜集任何用户信息。

also allowing users to freely choose installation or not, at the same time user's online activity will not be monitoryed, with no user data collected.

The “end user can freely choose to install or not” quote from MIIB offical shows they are asking for the install to be bundled.

The Xinhua report is here. Good find, a statement to the Chinese media. However, particularly since the Duanwu fuel price debacle, people are understandably wary of reassurances by unnamed ministry "responsible persons."

Also note that the very next day, a China News report (from the other big state-owned news agency) answered the question of whether Green Dam was compulsory with three pieces of evidence: (1) the unnamed MIIT source saying "users can choose whether or not to install it," (2) a People's Daily article saying that installing the software was not compulsory, and (3) the software company GM saying that users "can uninstall it if they choose."

I'm not arguing against your interpretation here (I've used the term "pre-load" when writing about the issue myself, precisely because of the ambiguity), and certainly there's nothing stopping people from wiping the software from their own machines after purchase. I just believe that the vagueness of the terminology and the apparently contradictory remarks from the parties involved mean that the conclusion that Green Dam comes installed and running is an entirely reasonable one to make.

神兽才是王道...

The software is similar to McAFee Parental Control though it has more features such as on-line game time limits and on-line chat limits. In the setting screen, the user can turn image filtering and semanic analysis features off. It's password-protected and 100% under the user's control. The user has a choice for voluntary censorship for kids.

Personally, I think the whole 'Green Dam' software thing is load of...well, you get it. I think that the Chinese should lower the Golden Shield, as well as this Green Dam crud.

And freepers, I'd also want to do the 'screening' in that case. ;)