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Is self-preservation a firing offense?

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The most craven teacher in the world?

On 12 May, Fan Meizhong was teaching literature to a class of high school students when the earthquake hit. He shouted, "Earthquake!" and then ran out of the classroom, down the stairs, and out onto the field, leaving his students behind.

Fan was pilloried online. Netizens called him "the most shameless teacher ever," partly for his cowardly abandonment of his students, but also for a post about the incident he put up on the Tianya BBS, which many critics saw as a pitiful attempt to justify a warped sense of morality. Fan confessed that his instinct for self-preservation meant that his daughter was the only person he'd ever think of sacrificing himself for — he'd even have left his mother behind.

Netizens called him "Runner Fan" (范跑跑), a nickname that even his boss used when talking to the media. Qing Guangya, principal of the privately-run Guangya School in Dujiangyan, is facing pressure to fire Fan for being a poor model for the students. Here is what he told the Yangtse Evening Post:

"In the earthquake, our school's classrooms were not harmed at all, and none of the 800-plus students and faculty was injured. But Fan Meizhong, mocked online as 'Runner Fan,' was an exception. His emotional injuries were self-inflicted."

"I don't know why he wrote those words on his blog that so enraged everyone. Actually, at the time he didn't say anything like that. When the earthquake hit, 'Runner Fan' just shouted 'Earthquake!' and was the first one out of the classroom and onto the field." Qing Guangya recalled that he staggered out of his office later, and after he reached the field, he discovered that students and teachers from every class were crouching on the ground. So he said, "Do a head-count." He remembers quite clearly that "Runner Fan" carefully counted the students who had been mocking him just then. After determining that there were no deaths or injuries, Qing organized the students and teachers to divert their attention and dispel their anxiety. The younger grades sang songs; classes that had been going on continued with review, reading, memorization, and discussions; upper levels continued their activities. During all of this, "Runner Fan" was just as cooperative.

This reporter noticed that Qing was obviously conflicted when discussing "Runner Fan." "Giving a shout and then running off when the earthquake hit: I think that's just a normal human reaction. But he really shouldn't have said those things afterward. The stuff he said was really out of line!"

The newspaper quotes a "knowledgeable source" who said that "everyone, including all levels of the state education administration, have been talking to Qing Guangya hoping that he will fire Fan Meizhong. On one occasion, Qing said candidly that 'Runner Fan' was mistaken in what he said, but his actions were not wrong..."

On 31 May, Changjiang Times printed an interview with Fan himself, in which he spoke about his actions and the online response:

Changjiang Times: Why did you post that article on the Internet?
Fan Meizhong: I graduated from the history department of Peking University. After this major historic event, I wanted to record something in words, so I wrote that article online.

CT: Netizens say that it's OK that you ran, but you shouldn't be so boastful about it. What do you think about that?
Fan: If I wasn't wrong to run, then what's the problem with writing about it? True, a teacher has a responsibility and duty to educate students, but the Education Law does not have any regulations saying that during an earthquake a teacher must save the students. My running off alone didn't violate national law. It only challenged the traditional ideas of education and morality that many people hold. They believe that a teacher ought to be a model of virtue for others, and in the face of disaster, students are the weaker group so a teacher should help them up.

But the fact is that at the instant of the earthquake, a teacher is weak, too. I had no experience; neither the state nor the school taught me live-saving or rescue techniques. I had no ability to save the entire class. If every teacher was like Mr. Tan [Tan Qianqiu, who used his body to shield four students from a collapsing roof], who gave his life for his students, then we'd have no more heroes. I admire heroes like Mr. Tan, but I can't do that myself. I love my life more.

CT: Netizens say that it's OK that you ran, but they ask why you didn't call to the students to run, too?
Fan: (silent for a moment) I admit that I'm afraid of death. My life is more important to me than those of others. I was really scared right then, and my instinctive response was to run outside. I thought that if I yelled, "Earthquake!" then the students would run after me. When I got to the field, lots of students had run outside, but I didn't imagine that no one from my class would run.

On this point, my wife also says that I performed badly. The past few days I've been thinking things over — why didn't I shout to the students to follow me? If you must say that I'm wrong, then it's because I ran without telling the students to come, too.

CT: Do you feel guilty?
Fan: I didn't intentionally do anything wrong, so why should I feel guilty? The earthquake happened and killed all those people, so I'm saddened, but I didn't create the earthquake, so there's no reason for me to feel guilty. And when I returned to the classroom afterward, the students were perfectly fine.

CT: What was the class like then? What did you say to your students?
Fan: There were only two students under their desks. The rest were crouched on the floor with a look of panic on their faces.

CT: Why did you have to explain "I'd only save my daughter, not my mother" in your article? Netizens think that you are an unfilial son.
Fan: Feelings-wise, it's hard to say whether my daughter or my mother is more important. But my daughter is only one year old, so saving her would have more chance of success. I brought up this example to explain the importance of one's own life in the face of a life-or-death situation, not to say that I don't love my mother. I know that saying this challenges China's traditional concept of morality; I've broken a taboo and brought the criticism on myself. But I anticipated it.

CT: What would you like to say to the netizens who've attacked you?
Fan: I'd like to say that many netizens don't really understand me. Their demands on me come out of their own personal morality; they hope that other people will do better, little realizing that in the same situation, they'd be exactly like me.

They're not considering institutional and technological factors. If all the buildings were built to strict quality standards, would we have lost so many people? If the state and the school frequently instructed students in how to escape an earthquake, then they'd naturally run when an earthquake hit, and there'd be no need for me to shout.

Netizens can attack me and argue with me, but they'd do better to think about institutional and technological factors. If another earthquake comes, whether our houses are safe will determine whether we'll escape safely.

Fan appeals to the Education Law to deny any wrongdoing. In response, commentators have suggested that Fan's actions did indeed violate that law. Here's an excerpt from a Rednet post by Li Zhenzhong, titled "The 'Running teacher' was also 'tofu dregs' in the face of disaster":

The Compulsory Education Law does stipulate that "a teacher should be a model of virtue for others and should be devoted to the education of the people." To be a "model of virtue," to "undertake the duty stipulated in the law," to be "devoted to the education of the people": looking at the Compulsory Education Law, being concerned solely for one's own life and leaving students behind while fleeing violates the spirit of the law.

The Compulsory Education Law was revised in 2006; the 1986 version only commanded teachers to "show concern for their students and be devoted to their duties." But it's likely that the netizens who are attacking Runner Fan's morals would argue that simply shouting "Earthquake!" and then running outside doesn't really show concern for the students, either.

Update: There's an interesting meditation on Fan Meizhong's actions and self-justification at Blogging for China.

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Since Fan is a teacher of Literature I'd like to suggest that he include Joseph Conrad's "Lord Jim" in his next class. For those who don't know, it's the story of a man who acts the coward, risking the lives of others, and then spends the rest of his life living out the consequences of his cowardice. An excellant book and quite appropriate to Fan's situation. Regardless of whether he's fired he'll always be thought of as a coward.

Very interesting story of which I had not heard of. Truely a difficult situation - self-preservation is in deed an instict and ones job does not change instincts. Still I would have thought that a simple "RUN!" would maybe been possible.

whether a dismissal of Fan is right or wrong, it should be noted at least that there seems to be a growing appetite in China for mob-induced public enforcements of private morality.

He may say that he didn't break any laws but the fact is that he doesn't feel it was wrong to leave his students behind. If they had died I think he would also be telling himself that he has done nothing wrong. In the end there is only one word to describe someone like him and that is coward. He is unfit to be a teacher.

I would translate "范跑跑" as "Fan the runaway" or "Fan the runner" :)

'I didn't intentionally do anything wrong, so why should I feel guilty?'
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Wrong or right definitely has a standard, if not the whole world and human would be into a mess.

He is a poster boy for the CCP's 60 years of rule and the type of people they have produced.

I wonder if he is not sacked, how will he face his students? If I were his student, I can't respect and trust him ...maybe he should resign, as teacher do have responsibity to protect students and be a model of morality.

"...there seems to be a growing appetite in China for mob-induced public enforcements of private morality."

If only we had a real democracy and Jury system to go with it. The possibilities....

Instead of relying on the media report to make a moral judgment on this particular episode in one of the great tragedies of China, I went to Tianya and read the original post by Mr. Fan. If you can read Chinese, here is the link: http://cache.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/books/1/106727.shtml

Basically, I didn't think his act of self-preservation during the moment of a major earthquake was morally wrong. As a person who don't have to go through all these terrible ordeals,I have no ground for judging people's behavior in such a grave danger. Base on his remark, he was the first person rushing to the playground. His students were stunned and then took cover under the desk until the major shake had passed. Fortunately, no one in his school get hurt by the end. Best wishes to the students and Mr. Fan who still have to go through the aftermath of the disaster.

At first, what made the netizens furious is not about his running but on his justification of doing that by soliciting grandiose terms such as personal freedom, respect of human life (his life), and his anti-communist stance and longing for American democracy( which is weird). To make things worse, he explicitly dismissed the heroic acts of the teachers who tried to save,successfully or not, the students. He said that it was not the teacher responsibility to protect students at such a scenario, and implied those who chose to do so were not as enlightened as he was. He intended to rebel against the "sacrifice" ideal which has been the core value promoted by the CCP for a long time, but did it in an awkward manner and time.

In the latter part of the thread, as new posters flowed in, the focus shifted to the act of running, and the nickname“范跑跑”emerged.

Even he he did not "break any law", he clearly did not do his moral duty as a teacher.
When in school, teachers have the responsibility to look after the safety of their students. In that sense, he surely deserves being sacked for not being fit for the job.

I have to tell you, this story sounds really bogus to me. Who, in Communist China, which has a fondness for killing people who commit minor infractions, would publically admit to being so selfish and unconcerned with the lives of other people's children which he's been entrusted with? Who would make such blatant statements about himself. It's just a little too perfectly reprehensible. What it really sounds like is some official(s) is/are trying to divert attention away from the poor state of building regulations in the country and they are using this guy as a scapegoat.

If on the other hand it's completely true then I would question this teacher's judgement as a teacher and human being - not necessarily the running part which, in a sudden shocking event people sometimes do instinctively - but in so freely and shamelessly admitting it. While a teacher has the children he/she is not just their teacher but is also supposed to be their guardian.

Jason: "and his anti-communist stance and longing for American democracy".

Hmmm, maybe that's why the government press is so willing to demonize him? To associate selfish cowardness with democracy in their readers minds?

Hmmm, maybe that's why the government press is so willing to demonize him? To associate selfish cowardness with democracy in their readers minds?

ridiculous guesture. Actually official press give him no comment.


No Chinese IME on this computer, I'll have to rely on other posters for the truthiness of his saying he longed to be in America with democracy.

I have been a teacher in the US for 7 years now, in 2 different school districts. Doing what he did would be grounds for dismissal in every school district I am familiar with. We have "disaster drills" with carefully planned courses of action, and democracy or personal preservation don't figure into them. In fact, the contract I signed explicitly stated that school staff are responsible for the safety of the students, and each teacher for his class. Were I to run out of the class and leave the wee tots behind, I might as well keep running because there'd be some angry folks looking to lay a little shoe leather on my behind.

My coworkers and I discussed this at length today; I showed several of them the article online. The man is a fool. I wish that my (elementary school) students had something like the civics class of yore, or perhaps a class on ethics. This assclown would make a good topic for discussion.

Interesting...my first time to hear such a story...but it did mean sth. to me, for I myself is a teacher. Sometimes I was wondering what if it happened in my school , and what would I gonna do, choose to be like Mr. Tan, or like Fan...I don't know. I believe whatever I do, it must be a instinctive reaction at that moment.
I don't think Fan was wrong, he also a human being, not a saint, what is wrong to protect our own life?

Crtiticize as much as you want, but unless you have been in a real life or death situation like a big quake, it is impossible to really know if anyone will behave logically.

His instinct to flee was natural, though yes, i agree that it seemed to skirt his responsibilities as a teacher and a caretaker. His talking about it on the other hand is just pure idiocy.

completely unacceptable.
He is in a position of trust , where he is acting as the gardian of the children under his care.

When a teacher accepts a position, there is a minimum requirment to be met as regards protection of the children under your care.


To Incredulous:

It is a real story. Mr. Fan is a graduate from Beijing University, an elite college in China. He was editor and wrote columns for several newspapers. He probably is one of the so called neo-liberalists, intellectuals in China who believe in democracy and Christianity as the solution for China. It might seems odd to some foreigners that such group of people could ever possibly exist in China. The fact is, they do exist and to a certain extent, have influence among the intellectuals and students. China is big, even if it may not meet the standard of a free country, you can still hear many different voices here, especially in the cyberspace. Mr. Fan himself is the originator of this drama. He wrote a narcissistic, provocative, yet brutally honest remark, defending his fleeing from his students. Although his comment stirred storms in the net, I doubt anybody in the Main Street has ever taken notice. Thus far the MSM simply ignored the story. The newspapers that picked up the story are both local papers, and have quite limited influences on China's public opinions. So I don't see there is any conspiracy in this whole thing.

Here is the first sentence of his remark:"How I wanted to die because I was not born in the US - land of freedom and of human rights!" Is that bizarre? What the heck does the US has anything to do with your fleeing from your students? Turns out it was just the beginning of a grandiose argument on personal freedom, on the virtual of being selfishness. Can anyone stand this magnitude of hypocrisy and idiocy?

What saddens me is that Mr. Fan get it all wrong. He proclaims his admiration for democracy and Christianity, but he really doesn't understand the true meaning of liberty, couldn't tell the difference between self-empowerment and selfishness. He definitely doesn't speak like a Christian, or act like a Christian.

As a US citizen, I am glad (runner) Fan is not. He would be an embarrassment to his family, his community and the nation as a whole.
Every nation may have its share of cowards but few if any would be so pleased about their cowardice in this country.
Not only would he be fired from his job, he would most likely receive death threats and be driven from his home.
Our nation (and Christianity for that matter) was brought about by the self-sacrifice of thousands of men and women. We did not achieve individual rights without someone paying a price for it.
This self-centered “man” who believes cowardice is a virtue would not be welcome.

孽障啊孽障,北大总是出名人~

what, he started but writing about it himself? 真不要脸

I think he is so selfish,all of Chinese spurn him

Shame on you,Runner Fan!

As a Chinese,
what Runner Fan said is outragous to me.
Althouth he could explain his running as an instinct of self-protection, but his defence by shamelessly proclaiming that "sacrifice is a mere choice, but not virtue" is a totally unjust and relentless comment; plus, he even emphacized at the beginning that he regreted to be a Chinese, and that also explained why he said he would left his mother behide, for he is a shameless, selfish, ungrateful man!

我晕,都跑这里来了啊

He should died.
I hate him.
垃圾一个。

Didn't Jesus say (and I am paraphrasing here)'the one without sin may cast the first stone'. Please don't judge someone if you don't know them nor lived in their shoes. You do not know the conditions that he has been working in and the way that school has treated him.

He ran without thinking about his students as he as has never had to deal with an earthquake. In a school that doesn't even have a fire drill much less a disaster drill and the buildings are a health and safety hazard (the only reason the school buildings didn't collapse as they are small tent like structures or have been built/reinforce in the last two years). In this school he has been demonized by the Chinese staff for his intellect and not quite integrated/excepted by the foreign staff for relatively poor English. Some of these students treat him like a servant rather than a teacher. His students are all are in the last three years of schooling, many are adults already.

Yes teachers are meant to be models of virtue/morality and apply the whole parentis locus thing but trust me this is much easier in a country that has a teaching union and decent classrooms/resources, and when you can go home at 3:30pm or so and leave the pressures of school behind. Not every teacher is a selfless hero in the job as its their natural vocation and Mr Fan is one of those examples of which there are thousands across the world, whom teaching is just a job, a way to find a wage to provide for their family. Being a good teacher doesn't require you to care about students much less sacrifice your life although it is better if you do care. Most teachers won't ever be tested in this way.

Basic human instinct is hard to fight - selfishness is one way a species survive. We are built to preserve ourselves and our offspring. You condemn his for his honesty on the selfish nature of people and his unusual thinking/philosophy. You say he is unfit to be a teacher but don't know the realities that lead him to his particular philosophy. The disappointments he has faced in his life of his education, his government and his job has lead him to the longing he has for USA and religion.

He should not be fired for this since he was not the only teacher in that school to run and leave their students behind - just the only one to admit to it and give a reason for his cowardice. As for how he will face his students? Mr Fan was one the students who lived through Tiananmen Massacre in the 80s and no doubt will face his future as he always has done, the answer I guess is that same as always with honesty and dignity.

It's a value thing. If you believe in "sacrifice", as Chinese are educated to, you risk your life to help the pupil; if not, you run. So, it's actually a matter of belief, which apparently is an individual choice, if not enforced by state law.

@MsMariposaChino
MsMariposaChino,you are a liar,because Runner Fan was not involed in 1989 Tiananmen Square at all. in this way, you are even cheaper and worse than Runner Fan,at least he is honset, albeit an honest coward. Don’t put Mr.Fan in the people list of 1989 Tiananmen Square, he was just a student of high school in rural Sichuan province and didnt join that demonstration in Beijing at all then(他自己说的他那时只是四川乡下的不知道昆德拉大大是谁的中学生)pl.look at closely his resume & his age if you understand Chinese language and google about that). Besides,I see no possibility for him to do things like that. He is just ugly shameless self-centered coward lacking of any conscience, let alone social responsibility. Runner Fan can only cry for himself:’me, me, me!..’,he would never sacrifice for others,looking at what he did and he himself said.

Mr. Fan also said he always dreamed about that he’s dying to be born in ‘free America’, I can not wait for his leaving for other place from my beloved beautiful homeland China. But I wonder no place on this planet will welcome such Runner Fan shit

Mr. Fan is a good man, we love him.

我支持范跑跑
support fan

i support fan . because i am not good at english so i can not express my respect to mr fan .and i hope everyone knowe fan more and then rate hin .and i do not think americans
knowe fan ,because you do not knowe chinese and can not knowe hin more


a chinese

support fan

he have not been training for escape,and the contract was not involed teacher should died for student.

support him!

To Incredulous:
You are kind of person know little about fact but comment too much. This is the source of misunderstanding.

He is only the corruption of the victims of the state machinery

他是一个鸡巴

灾难来临时,逃生难道是错误的吗???谴责范美忠的人都是混帐逻辑!!!
指责范美忠的人只是虚伪的卫道士,一旦遇到灾难,卫道士会跑得比谁都快,除非他当时已经被吓的腿脚发软,跑不动了
和范美忠一样逃生的人有千千万万,卫道士是不是要谴责所有四川灾民????????????????????

I think he must not become a teacher again! He have no any thing to teach his students! As a chinese , I feel very mortifying ! He should not be a chinese ! Because chinese won't do these things!

It's quite obvious he is a coward.As a chinese I am ashamed of him.He is not suited to be a chinese!he just suits to be a mouse.

Why did Fan's students remain seated as he shouted Earthquake and ran out of classroom? Was he supposed to grab the class out of the building as the earth shook violently?

correction to the article:

1. "Runner Fan" didn't shout "earthquake" before he run out of the classroom. He said "stay calm" instead.

2. He doesn't feel guilty after, but quite proud instead.

You American don't know the real situation,the truth is that:
Most Chiese don't like fan,but they hate the Government's sham morality more.Fan is a gun against gov.

It is a virtue ting, though it is not enforced by the state law.

yes,this is chinese!

这人知不道羞耻

范美忠是个沽名钓誉的人

通过凤凰卫视链接到这里来的,大家好,我是范跑跑,yeah!

学生家长鄙视他

Maybe Fan can beat LiuXiang.

作者:理想的乌托邦 (作者blog) 发表于:2008-06-11 15:19:17[到顶部] [回复] [编辑] [删除]级别:二级士官 积分:382
http://military.club.china.com/data/thread/1011/2038/36/85/2_1.html

我们现实中有许许多多的怪现象,那就是羊群效应,就如范美忠现象一样,国人铺天盖地的口诛笔伐震耳欲聋,岂不快哉!落井下石,痛打落水狗!仿佛在痛骂中得到最高快感甚至除之而后快。我觉得人在危难一刻表现如何不重要,重要是事情的本质!老范只是心理素质不过硬而已,事后范美忠一再深深的忏悔,备受良心的谴责。一个人在灾难来临时,主观上第一反应是本能的求生欲望,尊重生命这并无可厚非,比着各位看官在现场大部分人们心里也会是一样 。其实他的行为也没有伤害任何人,罪不至诛吧。我们实际生活中的见闻多多,公共场所有许多时候需要我们挺身而出,扒窃、抢劫、交通事故等等现象的时候,你们当中有许多叫得最欢,痛骂声最欢的道德人士表现如何?你们在哪里?你们的良知在那里?你们为什么选择了冷漠的沉默?无非也是想全身而退而已。我不是刻意为范美忠现象辩解来找骂,他当然是不对,我是想为这种现象提供一种逆向思维,希望能真正净化和提升社会风气,己所不欲,勿施于人,人人在快意恩仇的同时,是否应该躬身自问,危难时候你有没有显身手?更应该从这件事得到不一样的自省。

作为自然人,他跑我们不能说他什么,但作为教师,不顾自己的学生独自逃跑,太不应该了

尊重每个人的选择,他说他当时太恐慌了那也知道原谅他了。

我们应当热爱范美忠

没有人能够占有和垄断绝对真理,你我不例外,范美忠也不例外。
想起范美忠在教室里第一个先跑,觉得他反应真快。后来他写博客,看到他也很真诚,只是有些话容易起争议——似乎越解释越说不清楚。还好,清者自清,浊者自浊,况且他已经公开回应不妥,向他的学生们表示歉意,应该可以告一段落了。
可这个时候,我看网络上仍然很热闹,其中似乎有一批人要把他一棍子打死,范美忠有该死的罪吗?
对于一个犯罪的人来说,我们也没有一棍子打死他的权力,何况范美忠只是有点行为不妥。再者,我还看到一个高中老师在他的高中学生之间做的一项小调查,显示绝大部分同学都觉得范美忠做得无可厚非,“老师也是人,当务之急是自保”,“高中生的反应,其实比老师更快”。
快和慢,只是各人的反应,没有人能够做到千人一面,异口同声,人人都是刘翔,人人都是“十项全能”。
快和慢只是各人的现实,不是每个人的罪,更不是每个人都应该被嘲讽的理由。
我们知道一个非常熟悉的例子,就是犹太人要办耶稣的罪,耶稣本身没有什么把柄可以让他们办,于是他们捉住一个犯罪的女人,称按照摩西的律法这个人应该用石头砸死,让耶稣来根据摩西的法律判决那女人的死刑,耶稣知道他们的伎俩,先是在地上用手指头划字,或许写的是七宗罪,骄傲,嫉妒,愤怒,懒惰,吝啬,贪食和好色。耶稣当时没有说话,人们就不停地试探他,让他进圈套,耶稣最后站起来说,哪一个人没有罪,可以第一个用石头砸她。最后的结果想必大家都知道,没有人来用石头砸女人,那些人一个一个地走开了。最后,那个女人被宽容了,但她要承诺从此不要再犯罪了。
再看一个例子,又是一个我们熟知的《圣经》上的故事:“一百只羊中有一只走失了,牧羊人就将九十九只放在安全的地方,去找回来那一只。”我想,我们之中,没有哪一个人是完美的,我们没有占有绝对真理、完美道德来审判我们身边和我们同样有缺陷的他人。如果我们是范美忠,我们又比他强多少呢?为什么一些人要把范美忠推向孤独无助的对立面呢?连牧羊人都知道先把九十九只羊放到安全的地方,去找那失散的一只,难道我们可以说牧羊人可以只顾九十九只羊,让那只羊“活该”失散?
由于我们所受的一元教育,常常是把与众不同的人当成对立面,尤其是把与大多数不一样的思想当成异端一棍子打死,其实这样的一元逻辑是害人不浅的,这样下去,我们经常在嘴边念叨的“人人献出一点爱”,也会在我们有言语无行为的现实面前黯然失色,所以我们应当审视自身言行,遇事警醒,做到凡事包容,又当时刻替对方(他人)着想。“爱人如己”说起来简单,做起来实在是难,我们应当像范美忠一样真诚对待自己,又要像热心提醒我们也有不足的人所说的那样,真诚看到自身的不足,学会说道歉——众人以为美的事,要留心去做。如此,我们不妨说,我们应当热爱范美忠。


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九色玫瑰 评论: 2008-06-10 14:28:41

很多人之所以对范美忠愤怒,包括我自己,不是因为他在地震来临之际反应够快先跑出了教室的本能行为,而是对于他这种扯着“自由主义”大旗为自己行为辩解的行为感到齿冷。
当危险来临之际,人出于求生本能先跑了,这一点可以理解。这是人的本性。但是,本性并非是可以不履行义务的借口。
范美忠跑了,是作为一个人的本能,本无可厚非。他能够展示自己的真实心理过程,这一点确实是真实的,但同时又以自由等名词来修饰自己面对保护学生义务时的不作为,同时又是一种虚伪。
回应 发信 评论时间: 2008-06-10 14:28:41 路远 评论: 2008-06-10 15:00:46

至少他是真实的
回应 发信 评论时间: 2008-06-10 15:00:46 刺桐红 评论: 2008-06-10 16:08:24

没人要求他牺牲自己,但他过后略带炫耀色彩的说辞实在让人反感!

范老师救了1000多人!!!!!!


伟大的范老师!身负重任的他成功地把全国人民的注意力转移到他一个人身上,而那些之前因为建了豆&fu*渣学校而胆战心惊的人们现在可以安心睡觉了,因为大家已经不再注意那些小事了,都在声讨范老师了,从这个意义上讲,他救了1000多人!

而那些之前因为建了豆&腐*渣学校而胆战心惊的人们现在可以安心睡觉了,因为大家已经不再注意那些小事了,都在声讨范老师了,从这个意义上讲,他救了1000多人!
那一千多本来可能在舆 论的枪 口下倒地的可敬的官$员、建筑商、包工头们被救了,他们今后还可以继续从S*B的RM手中无情地搜刮R*M*B,这就是中国S B*R*M的下场

runner fan has the right to do what he had done,but he is shameless because he wrote it out and prouded of it.paul

我支持他的坦诚,但反对他的行动!
支持北京奥运会,中国万岁!

shit,fan

what a mother fucker,Runner Fan lose his face in China,now,he lose his face all over the world.

作为一个老师,做出这样的事实难逃自责!下面都是你的学生,你有责任有义务帮助他们!

support fan

老范真TM的NB竟然搞到国外了!

I am a teacher.And I also experinced this disaster in Mianyang,Sichuan Province.
At the very time, I also felt extremely frightened, but beyond my instinct, I calmed down with a shout to students "run away" as the classroom was trembling wildly. I chose to stay in the classroom to keep the students out of the classroom in a good order.
However, I don't think I am noble or deserve a praise. Because I also thought of escaping and leaving the students behind.
On the other hand, I understand and forgive Fan, he is not evil though not brave but normal without a good personal quality.
His fause is that he tells the truth at a wrong time when all the media was singing highly of the heroes and was mourning to the victims sorrowfully under the leadership of our great Party.
This insident has its positive effect.More and more people in China dare voice their own ideas even out of the tune of "socialist mail theme"!

美国已同意范美忠政治避难,据悉,王丹等民运组织准备奖授范美忠"中国自由新青年"称号,好象也是一千万美金.

我敢肯定:范跑跑平常就是非常自私的人,所以在那种情况下做出这种行为毫不奇怪。支持范跑跑的人也是自私的人,所以他们能够理解范的行为。

他不是人类的耻辱,他是教师的耻辱!
He is not human beings'disgrace,but he is teachers' disgrace!!

This story is simply hilarious, even though it's not meant to be so. China's netizens are a bunch you don't want to incur the wrath of; they can get even more militant than the Koreans!

The nickname they gave him was ridiculously embarrassing: 范跑跑?! Anyone recall Seoul's dog shit girl, 개똥녀?

well,well. I don't personally think running away during earthquake is something wrong. Since there are some teachers did that and feel guilty after the diasters. And psychologist giving them therapies by telling that running away is just the 1/3 choice people will made under that situation.

However, what really make people angry, at least like I is the statement he made that try to disguis him as a freedom dreamer and try to interchange the idea of equality and selfish. What the hell! Such a hypocritical person. Not only he chose not to "sacrifice"(for the above comment, i see people thinking this value is pressed by CCP, but the fact is that this is the value through out the history of China for thousands of years), but he is also saying that he won't even save his mother. What a shame. In the Chinese tradistion, filial piety is very important. I don't need to expect him to protect his students. I just wonder, what his mother will think when hearing what he said, and what his daughter feels when her father say so.

如果范美忠继续道歉我会很失望

5.12地震以来,让某方向某方道歉,似乎在中国有好几个典型事件和成功范例,中国民众在这方面的力量,从来就不为世人所小觑,国内外遭受抨击的各方,几乎最终都缴械了。但围绕范美忠道歉与否的事,民众的言行一直使我有一种深深的不安。因为相当一部分公众在违反起码的道德,侵犯范美忠的基本人权。

范美忠的不妥有二:不该用教师法等为自己辩护,因为他的行为在刑法原则和教师法、教育法里都有相关涉猎,虽然没明确规定追究他的责任,但也不保护他的行为;他不该在震后说那番众所周知的话,以损公众感情和老师形象,也为大多数人的价值观所不容。关于这一点,他本人已经表示了歉意。他的过失,严格看来也仅仅是这些,所以也再没有道歉的必要。但他的诚实,是许多人做不到的。根据笔者的亲身经历,范的陈述符合基本事实:1990年青海地震时我在离震中不远的西北某地,地震一发生,我和姐姐都忘了睡在床上的侄子和儿子朝外跑,快出门了又想起回头抱俩孩子,这不是我们把自己的命看的比俩孩子重要,其实就是逃生的本能反应,更非评论人郭松民所武断的“你怕学生挡住了你跑的路。”在目前如此大的压力面前,范美忠能够坦然承认自己人性中很本真的弱点,不回避,不狡辩,这就有了足够让人尊重的分量。

范美忠是合法公民,不论大家言行有多么巨大的差异,但有一条基本原则不应置之一边,那就是人权和平等。任何人都没有资格站在道德和人多势众的制高点上,将表面上或实质上的弱者当成落水狗,以战胜国对战败国的居高临下任意撕裂他的尊严。纵观历史,这种粗暴在中国是一种传统,上世纪反右派和文革期间,类似言行比比皆是。改革开放三十年了,一方面知识阶层在大喊自由、人权,但一遇具体问题,精英们甚至连听取对方解释的耐心都没有,蛮横无理地否决别人发言的权力,以决绝的裁判者口气,将对方置于人民公敌的座次,乃至用别人的自由和人权维护自己的尊严和权威,郭松民就对范美忠说:"你已经说的够多了!”“我拒绝接受你的道歉!如果我们因为某种‘糊涂的善良’接受了他的‘道歉’,则等于放弃了今后再批评此类行为的权利,并使之合理化了。”那么,这也就可以理解为:范忠美一样的人,是必须无条件投降的。我建议郭松民和与他一样态度的人应该问一句自己:“我是谁?”"谁赋予了我们接受或拒绝范美忠道歉的权力?"批评者应该首先摆正自己的位置:你接受不接受人家的道歉毫无意义;你只是和范美忠地位对等的辩友!观看郭松民对范美忠的道德围剿,脊背里一股凉气在上蹿:如果倒退三十多年,瘦弱的范美忠怕是性命难全了。可见,关于保障人权这一问题,包括知识界在内,我们从来没有触及到极左时代问题的肌理,更别说什么已经拨乱反正,还是斗地主批黑五类的惯用思想,惟一进步了的,是没有拳脚相加\范美忠还敢辩护几句,以及现场没有惊天动地的口号声。

到目前为止,范美忠坚持自己的观点,这是我甚感欣慰的方面。中国人想必有一个共识,就是自近代以来传统价值观受到严重冲击后,国人普遍缺少一种叫作“坚守”的可贵品质。当全民族抗战时,各地伪军数量达到历史上空前的规模,他们在日本人势力大时投敌叛国;在日军日薄西山时又纷纷弃暗投明;建国以来的历次政治运动中,以背叛亲情、爱情、友情和起码的事实求生求荣和向上爬,已经成为政治高压下的民族惯性;诚如陈凯歌所说:当灾难来临时便集体说:我忏悔;当灾难过去时便集体说:我控诉!各个都是迫害者,可似乎各个都是受害人.笔者所希望于范美忠的,就是坚持住自己的观点,守住你的个人主义,如胡适当年在北大援引杜威博士的话所提倡的:真的个人主义“是对自己思想信仰的结果要负完全的责任”。我最怕看到的是“范美忠公开向全国人民道歉!”因为如果高压之下你道歉了,不仅是你自己的耻辱,也将使国家的人权状况蒙羞,是集体和强权对弱者和异己的又一次成功强暴。

我想若是站在实证的角度来看待“范跑跑”,这样批“范跑跑”,我觉得都是“坐着说话不腰痛”,且不要说我们批“范跑跑”的人说的有多么之高尚,
要是你们当时在地震现场,可能和“范跑跑”也差不了好多,在一些向社会公布的监控录像中看到,地震发生的那10多秒,大多数人都是选择的“跑”,这
就是人的本能,也是动物本能!我也是地震的经历者,在那样一个地动山摇的时刻,我们的脑袋里一片空白,看到的是一栋栋建筑在眼前摇晃,大地在
颤抖,耳边听到的是可怕的各种垮塌的声音,地下传来轰隆隆的巨响,大树在摇晃,那声音非常大,就连树上的鸟都不知道站在什么地方好了!这是我从
未有个的感官经历,非常可怕,人在那个时候是非常渺小的!希望社会给受灾难的“范跑跑”一些宽容吧!毕竟他才是经历者

to kaka(June 2, 2008 11:17 AM):
his students still care about him from the report.
cuz,I heard of that the students beg the headmaster to forgive him.

伪君子,真小人,都不是这个世界所需要的

看了腾讯网上范美忠与周孝正的对话,我的感觉是,两人不在同一层次上。这个教授无法理解范美忠的核心思想,虽然范美忠不断界定自己的论题,希望形成真正的沟通,而教授却一味自说自话。

从对话中可以看出,范美忠是在自由主义论题中来展开他的话题的,显然教授对范美忠所涉及的自由主义背景,以及这个背景下的理论问题相当陌生,所以只能就事论事,没有任何的理论意识。这显示的是学养的差距。

范美忠是个民间思想家,涉猎广泛,拥有广阔的思想资源,也有明确的问题意识,这使他的讨论集中而明确,有理论旨趣。我曾看过范美忠关于野草的研究,也发表过评论,虽然不能完全认同,但他对鲁迅的理解确在大多数专家之上。而对传统伪道德的批判真是鲁迅精神的重要部分。

范美忠的思想相当简单,就是把道德底线与道德高标分开。常人只要做到道德底线就可以了,英雄才能达到道德高标。我们佩服英雄,但不能要求人人成为英雄。社会没有权利以英雄的标准去要求一个常人,不能把一种罕见的崇高,当成一种基本的要求。

由这样的观点,是根本推导不出他要反英雄行为的。但我们这个伪善的社会,总是把道德高标当成道德底线。所以人人要用英雄的标准要求自己,做不到,就必须要作出道德忏悔。但这并没有提高我们整个社会的道德水平,相反造成了无数的伪君子,说的是一套,做的又是一套。

而周孝正的观点恰恰是:你可以实际上表现怯懦的行为,但你不能说你有权利表现怯懦的行为。如果你说常人可以表现怯懦行为,那么就是歌颂怯懦行为,就是挑战英雄行为。周所强调的是我们很熟悉的中国的人一般生活态度:很多事,你可以做,但你不能说。如果你没有英雄的表现,即使你内心觉得很正常。但当你说时,你一定要忏悔。这样才能表达对英雄行为的认同。但问题是,如果常人不可以表现怯懦行为,常人必须为自己的怯懦行为忏悔,那不就是用英雄的标准来要求常人吗?范美忠不过说,虽然英雄行为是值得佩服的,但我没有表现出英雄行为绝对不应受到指责,也根本没有必要忏悔。因为我们根本不应该用英雄的标准去要求一个常人。

我们的社会现实是什么?贪官遍地,但作起廉政报告来却个个滔滔不绝。我们的学生作文里充满着道德高调,而实际上却很少有人想真去做。为什么我们不能诚实地对待自己,对待他人,不能破除道德高调呢?

我认为,真是道德高标使我们缺乏最基本的道德。因为道德高标的社会氛围迫使我们不敢说出我们的真实自我,使我们方便地以伪君子的方式来应对高调的道德要求。

从这个意义上,范美忠确实提出了一个重大的问题。他所受到的攻击也正说明了我们的社会的道德氛围是一种集体无意识的伪道德高调。

对于伪道德高调,我们要采取什么态度?范美忠认为我们要建立一种常人的道德标准,以使常人的行为免受道德高调的指责。而周孝正认为,伪道德高调必须维持,才能维持社会的道德。周孝正的观点正是范美忠要批判的对象。

I don't think Mr.Fan did anything wrong.I support him!And I do believe if I were him I will do the same when earthquake comes.As a teacher in China nobody asks them that they must immolate themselves for their students even in Education law,not.

(ZT http://military.club.china.com/data/thread/1011/2071/23/51/3_1.html )
作者:andychen1690 发表于:2008-06-16 08:27:23[到顶部] [回复] [编辑] [删除]级别:一级士官 积分:187

在涉及社会地位和实际利益时,教师按普通人对待;在承担责任时,教师按圣人的标准来要求。而公务员们正好相反。范老师拒绝“成圣”,结果连普通人都做不成。我们的社会有逼良为娼的传统,也有逼人为圣的传统,否则怎么有“逼捐”之说?

The main subject here is not that he ran. I'm sure thousands of teachers did the same thing. But it's DEFINITELY not something to be proud of. The biggest controversy is Fan's stubbornness and insistence that he did nothing wrong (if you pay attention to his tone, he actually insists that he was in the RIGHT). And his own assumptions that his critics would've done the same thing, is nothing short of ignorance and only to make himself feel better.

Then again, he is either 1.) a true coward, with a warped sense of morality beyond salvation, or 2.) he's a satirical genius. That's the only reason I can think of, someone who would bring such negative attention onto himself. He is exposing the fact that in China's captialist society (they're not communist anymore they're social-capitalist), everyone only cares about themselves. If you see someone falling down and injuring himself on the streets, in a city smaller than say Beijing or Shanghai, people would just walk past without caring. So if this is his motive, then he must be a genius.

To all who againsts Runner Fan:

There are few very simple questions:
1). What will you do in that situation? Do you have any accident experiences. like car accident or... ..? what is ur reaction?

2). Someone said that he run away is ok that is a normally reaction in that situation, but he should not post it online afterward.Ok it sound quite reasonable. but how can you answer this question. How come in reality the thing can be done, but cant be speak out? why? And he is a human and just want to records all of things around himself. so he write the blog, but it doesnt means all of you guy should fallow him and look him like a model. right? do you have the right to write whatever u like? if you have why he dont?

3). ok lets talk about teacher. anyone who is a teacher be told in any situation have to protect his/her students until he/she die? anyone be told? if not, how come teach has to provide their life to their students? are students are more important than teacher or something else?

Im really appriciate you guys or gals who againt runner fan can give me few answers.

Thanks

one point must be noted as Fan said that there are few life-saving knowledge, from my own experience, from elementory school to college, i have not got even one such practice as for fire, earthquake. it's normal for him to react instinctively as what he did.

踩下,支持范跑跑

作为一名老师,竟然在这种情况下弃学生而不顾,自己落跑,可耻!!!更可悲的是,有人还认同他,用你们的心看清楚,这是一个怎样的人,诶,无师德之人,社会岂能容也!!!!!!

至少他不会是一个伟大的人 他自私. 他现实?  他的价值观是自我  他真的很糟

狗日的,关键的问题不是诚实不诚实的问题!现在的问题是:他是不是有人性?有没有良知?
狗日的,如果范跑跑强奸了你妈,他承认了,你说他该不该受到惩罚?如果他贴出帖子来承认了事实,你是不是表扬他诚实?
狗日的,现在的问题是,范跑跑恬不知耻的强奸中化民族的道德情操,你说他该不该受到谴责?
中国人民是宽容的,他的逃跑还没有斥责他!
范跑跑自己写的文章里就说,第二个跑到操场的是一个抱了学生的外国人!
范跑跑承认自己的错误才是他的出路。
狗日的替他说话,长不长脑子?

He had wished to be a born American. Do the Americans like such a shameless coward?

任何事都有他的对立面,不可以绝对性的评价某个人或某件事,地震范跑跑跑了,抛下了他的学生,他得到的是生命的安全;抛弃的是学生的敬仰。他在网上公然说自己跑是对的,他得到的是全国乃至全世界的关注;但他失去的是作为一个人的基本美德。他的跑我们无可厚非,教师法里并没有明确规定在危险时,教师得先救学生,正如宪法里没有见死不救的罪条。那确实是人的本能,他先跑我不会觉得他这人有多么的可恨与可耻。那些为了保护学生失去生命的教师,那些为了保护孩子失去生命的父母,,,这些人带给我们的是感动,是对人间真情的感叹,比起父母我觉得那些教师更让我敬佩,因为孩子是父母的生存的意义。这些教师之所以让我们感动,那是因为并不是每个教师都能做到这一点的,像范跑跑这样的人多着呢,如果是我,我可能也会跑,这是没什么可以谴责的,毕竟不是每个人都有不顾自己的生命去挽救他人生命的高尚品德。但我气愤的是,范跑跑在他博客里的话,他说既然他没做错什么,为什么不可以说出来。这就说明他没资格做老师,他的思想是那么的龌龊,跑了他竟没一丝的羞愧,还高调的大肆嚷嚷,这就是人们所气愤的,我想对范跑跑说的是,跑不是你的错,但嚷嚷就是你的错!不嚷不要紧,这一嚷就嚷出你不知错不知羞的低下品质了。
中立者

这里有很多枪手!你们这些反华的人恐怕都是拿了西方的钱在这里放屁罢了.你们很不知羞耻!!!

Now Fan is fired by his school, and is claimed to never have any chance to be a teacher again.

It is rediculous that in 2008 a person would lose his job only because of a post on the Internet.

Fan is not a hero, as many naive people expect. A hero is called a hero only because most people are not. The biggest lie in China is teaching is the most sacred occupation-the sole bulder! People are educated to believe or pretend to believe this! Funny. Are teachers born to be saints? How and why? Teaching is only a way to make living.

I would stand with Fan, though I dont exactly agree with him. He is not a hero teacher, but I think he is a qualified teacher compared to many mainstream Good teachers in China, like Guo Jumper. He is honest, open-minded, intellectual, really teaching-loving, self-diciplined and behaving good in daily life, and most of all he is exactly the rare type of teacher that China's current education system needs--anybody who knows a little about the Chinese education system will know what I mean.

He is not a hero, nor a Big man, but he is a Real man. He is one of those who have survived in this big quake. But now he is killed, not by the nature, but by human being. The only reason is that he sent a wrong post on the Internet at a wrong time. This is a tragedy, even worse than this quake, which reminds me China has really a long way to go.

You may not be a hero,but you can not injury a hero.This is why runner fan is sacked.

Fan The runner, you are my Idol.

I will run under that circumstance.Most of you guys will run or at least panic as he did.

My live is better than the others, It is the rule of so called "democracy".

Whether you like it or not,Face it.

从范遭受的结果看以后做事需要这么干才好:
1. 闷声大发财
只要你的公开言论和大众主流舆论是一致的就行,管你背后干什么,只要小心别让人抓住小辫子就好;
2. 人云亦云
这样就没人关注你了,个个忏悔时你跟着忏悔,个个雄起时你跟着雄起;
3. 痛打落水狗
一定要保持火眼金睛发现和你的类似人物,把他发展到你的战线这边,否则既然不能为那就一定要站在道义的最高点上在经济到精神上坚决打击他,杀鸡儆猴,不然他会让整个联盟垮掉,坚决避免出现皇帝的新装事件。

One thing that English readers of the main stream press miss is the responses by Fan Mei Zhong's students, expressing their sense of loss and frustration when they heard that he will no longer be teaching them due to this incident. Many of the students are forming a group to get ready to appeal to the Municipal of Education in order to fight for the justice of their teacher.

http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=410445622

Another anecdote is that the school (Guangya IB School) at which Fan Mei Zhong teaches seems to be one of the few IBO (International Baccalaureate Organisation) recognized private schools in China, that has a record of raising a high percentage of well-rounded students accepted by Universities abroad. Many students claim that a large part of their resourceful education is Fan Mei Zhong's teaching. (in the baidu forum posts; linked above)

http://www.newssc.org/gb/Newssc/meiti/cdrb/zk/userobject10ai1407800.html

I find this a bit strange....Is there a law court Mr. Fan can turn to for a fair judgement?It's scary to be judged by ALL people. Mr. Fan should have the right to defend himself somewhere...

可悲可怜

To all persons who supports Mr.Fan
If you know what is a teacher? I don't know how teachers do in this situation in western country,but I know that teacher is a sacred job. Mr.Fan is a teacher,so he took on a sacred responsibilities,in China the sacred responsibilities is to teach students and protect their lives.
But what did Mr.Fan do? When the earthquake comes he only shorted"Watch out of the earthquake!" then he ran to the safe aera by himself. After that when reporters asked him"Why you ran away only by your self,and where is your students?" He answered"MY LIFE IS SO PRECIOUS,NOTHING CAN MAKE ME GIVE MY LIFE EVEN MY OLD MOTHER!"
This is the fact,and Mr.Fan is still sounding off about how he did.
He is a DISGRACE of the GREAT CHINESE!
After read this letter, you can ask yourself no matter you are a Chinese or a foreigner"Am I a human?"
By the way I want to say to Mr.Fan "Do you know what means 'abashment'?"And I despise you forever!
That's all,Thank you.

范跑跑已成为一个道德软柿子
2008年06月27日 08:55山西新闻网-山西晚报

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袁幼鸣:地震时,我曾先跑
2008年06月13日 08:19东方网-东方早报

[Removed full text. -JM]

This guy...

My god...

What he did was terrible. It has nothing to do with democracy. If he want's to bring up the D word. I will argue, that under democracy, I have the right to agree or disagree based off of the facts. Only when I have an understanding of the facts, should I make a decision.

I will express my thoughts:

First, let's talk about his warped mental view of self-preservation. Humans need to re-think and re-evaluate what they think is self-preservation.

First, I don't know why humans are getting caught up in this self preservation arguement. Yes, we as people want to survive. However, survival is based of working together. We as a race has survived through working together. Even, chinese understand the basic principle of "guanxi." For ages the humans have contributed to each other. Thus we have survived. Anytime a society because, completely selfish it has fallen. Time and time again.

I will give my view of self-preservation. We build ourselves, make ourselves better and try to survive... why? It should be to help the greater whole. By that I mean, it should be to contribute to society. This is how our race survives. Someone picks the rice we eat, someone makes the clothes we wear, someone sings the songs we like... so on and so on.... By being the best at our trade, we survive and help others to survive.

When we become self-centered we get rid of our duties to others. We hurt everyone.

I don't think he represents the common view of Chinese. Although, many support him. I say this, because I was in a school during the quake and I was surprised that how the teachers worked together to help the students.

Also, I would like to add that as teacher you have responsibility for the child. If it's not true, then punch a student out and see what happens.

If a man came into school with a knife and started stabbing young children. If he ran away, that would make him partially responsible for their deaths.

And what if the children died? He would be in much bigger trouble...

He should not have ran off and left his students behind. That's a d@mned shame...

Finally, I leave you all with a question:

He says, there is no law that states you need to protect someone...

Well, do you need a law in to tell you when to help someone?

If that is the case... Then, the human race is on a course for self-destruction...

It does matter, if they are not in your family or not... We are all related through genetics...

More importantly, im surprised, because in China, Loyalty is extremely valued...

The most important thing here is: 1. Not just himself runs out, many many teachers run out first too, but they did not write blog. 2. Fan was fired, not because of his act, but because of his "word". If the "run out" teachers should be fired, then why other teachers no one was fired?

As a teacher in Literature,Fan should also read S. Crane's "The Red Badge of Courage" and T. O'Brien's "Going After Cacciato". All of them are about ranaway and cowardice. In these great books, To run or not is a moral, psychological, philosophical question, not so simple as Fan has considered. Fan is surely not a hero, but not even an anti-hero either. If we cannot be a hero, we should try to be an anti-hero, like Lord Jim, Henry Fleming, and Paul Berlin. Fan Pao-pao (Fan the Runner) is nothing at all.

Knowing that schools build by the Chinese government were falling down during the Earthquake due to lack of respect construction normes, can explain why this guy ran away he was working in tree-house like building.

On the other hand, suppose the teacher taking care of FAN's daughter did the same and ran away during Earthquake, as a father would he accept that?

If I was Fan, as an act of contrition, I would ask to join the military so that I could learn how to remain composed in an emergency.

We all act as cowards at least once in our lives, but we have to learn from that experience.

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